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Sepublic22 wrote: I find it interesting that the Phoenixes who participated in the Failed Illumination were forced to be reincarnate, instead of ascending to their Mother Sun. It's a very good idea, and almost poetic that because Florax failed to perform it correctly in life, she and the others will constantly be reborn until they fix their mistake. I wonder who are the other 7 characters that are reincarnated forms of the phoenixes..? We don't know for SURE if all of them reincarnated, but that's what I take from Florax's fate. Anyhow, it definitely can't be any of the other main eight, or else they would've been recognized by Fluminox.

It'd DEFINITELY be worth theorizing about, though. I wished Razar got to have a special soul like Eris was..

If the other 7 didn't get reincarnated then I wonder why only 1 one of them and why only Florax gets to be reborn.? Who's to say they DIDN'T get reincarnated?

I did some thinking just now, wondering who the other Phoenix souls could be... we know it's not the main heroes, and it can't be any Ice Hunters, as they were alive when the original nine were. Likewise, I can't imagine the Phoenixes being reborn as Outland Legend Beasts, which are Chi-proof, thus meaning they're likely not any Outlanders.

Based on my observations, I've narrowed things down to about a few possible candidates;

-Lagravis

-Lavertus

-Crominus

-Rinona

My reasoning? Well, let's start off with this fact;

When people used Fire Chi, they just glow red-orange, and that's it. Oddly enough, the main eight don their Fire Armor, but why would this happen? Well, consider the very Phoenix-esque armor designs, and the fact that those eight heroes are destined to wear the Fire Harnesses...

Get where I'm going here? The only ones who get the Fire Armor are the ones meant to wield the Fire Harnesses, which would ALSO apply to the reincarnated Phoenix souls...

Likewise, Lagravis is worthy enough to wield the Triple Chi Armor (whereas Cragger and Worriz, two non-Phoenix souls, aren't), Rinona is oddly enough not affected by the Rhino Legend Beast's power, and while we are told ALL females are smarter, it still seems a bit odd she's singled out, unless she DIDN'T have a Rhino soul... likewise, she, Lagravis, Lavertus, and Crominus all have fire armor despite not being meant to wear the Fire Harnesses... at least not in THIS life...!

My theory- Those destined to wield the Fire Harnesses are given the Fire Armor, and likewise, Lagravis, Lavertus, Crominus, and Rinona are reincarnated Phoenix souls, hence why they have the armor; THEY'RE part of the original, chosen batch who failed! Worth noting, also, is that those three are all wise, good-natured people.

With this in mind, that means we have...

-Fluminox

-Florax (Eris)

-Lagravis

-Lavertus

-Crominus

-Rinona

That leaves three other souls unconfirmed. The only other candidate I can think of at the moment is Crokenburg, since he's the only non-hero or theorized Phoenix reincarnation to have the printed, Fire Chi piece, though this might simply be because of the presence of a harness, as his armor underneath is generic crocodile clothing. I wonder why Fluminox didn't notice them and call them up like he did for Eris..? I wonder why didn't others like Razar didn't get to go through something to EARN his fire wing harness like Laval, Cragger and Eris did but instead got those 3 and Tormak to find them for them.. Should the destined like Razar get to go through something to earn it instead of having someone find it for them..? My best guess is that he didn't recognize them at the time. Alternatively, he still had some guilt over what he did to them, and with the exception of Florax didn't feel like interacting because of this, especially with a new batch of heroes to take their place instead.

Anyhow, I don't think Razar had to go through a trial because he was busy elsewhere in the war effort, after all. It's his destin to wear the Harness, not necessarily to find it, and his venture in defending the Phoenix and Lions from the Ice Hunters' most brutal assault is a VERY reasonable excuse not to participate. It really ruins the specialness in being destined if he doesn't get to find it... and makes Laval, Cragger and Eris more special in that bunch for finding it themselves and going through something(I am really not liking that reason for him not getting to find it..) The day I saw those 2 episodes, I couldn't sleep due to grief.. and disappointment.. and they can't just leave us hanging like that with beyond the outlands being shown.. They didn't even SHOW where he was or even appeared AT ALL until they met with the fire wings... I wonder how come the theorized reincarnated never felt any affects like Eris was..?

Sorry about going.. a bit overboard(?) about Razar not getting to find it.. I am just.. not really feeling well due to how it turned out..

I just hope Tommy won't ignore my question about the other 7 phoenixes.. I agree. I feel that Chima ended abruptly, since we were going to have two waves of 2015 sets. I was expecting another full season with the heroes finding the eight Fire Harnesses, but instead we got only two episodes.

And it sucks, because they could very easily get at LEAST ten episodes for a Fire Harness season; Eight episodes for finding each Harness, and a two-parter finale. Plus, we have a lot of aborted story arcs and characters, such as Sirox's plans to usurp Fangar's power by allying with the Ice Bears, the stories of the Hunter Tribe Legend Beasts, the appearance of characters such as Sibress, Vultrix, etc., and the Ice Bears could've had a FAR more prominent role as well.

This, and the fact that Fluminox mentions that the melting of Fangar's ice mountain would lead to unprecedented floods (which sounds exactly like the premise of an ocean tribe setting) feels very disappointing, even if the conclusion to Chima was well-done. I wonder how did Flinx(and the illumination WORKED) WITHOUT the 9th fire wing harness We literally saw Fluminx holding it in a flashback.. I wonder if this will come back and bit them in the butts..? Well, I imagine him becoming the Ultimate Phoenix indicates that his inner power is so great that it compensates for the lack of a Harness. Alternatively, the Harness IS a part of him, in a sense- We never find out what happened to it. Perhaps its energies became part of Flinx afterwards, what with Fluminox not knowing what to do with it? It'd also explain his role as a sacrifice as well. I wonder what does Fluminox mean by sacrifice and what happens to the 8 heroes while they collided but before Flinx hopped in.. I hope its not they disintegrated(as in died) but the success of the illumination brought them back a second later(I really hope that is not the case for Razar..) When the phoenix left without warning, I was so mad since I never got to see Razar fight on screen in his fire armor and they decide to take the armors away and leave without warning(still without warning since a webisode might not be enough..) Yeah, I was wondering what he meant by sacrifices, since the heroes didn't really sacrifice anything. And I am also not angry, but nevertheless disappointed that the Phoenix just left, although I suppose they DID serve their purpose by educating ALL tribes (such as the ones we're familiar with and the Outlanders) and fixing their mistake.